I buy the argument that the colleges actually do applied research probably better than the universities. I buy the argument that our industries, for whatever reason, don't do their own applied research. If they're not going to do it, somebody has to do it; and if it's not you, it's got to be somebody else. It seems to be the structure of the thing.
Ann Buller is the president of Centennial College in my riding, and she's beaten me over the head on this issue. I'm a convert.