One of the hard things about coming up with these numbers, and we can—we can calculate and give you these numbers—is that we have created a very complex social system; we've made it very complex. It's really quite simple.
In Hamilton, to give you an example, we have 100,000 people living in poverty: 25,000 are kids; 25,000 are people who are actually working but who aren't paid enough; another 15,000 just happen to have a disability. We could reduce poverty in Hamilton by 70% to 80% tomorrow, if we paid a living wage and actually increased our benefits from an OW and ODSP perspective. It's very simple.