Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I want to go back to this overall picture you're painting here. The revenue projections are in keeping with everybody else's. You're basically stuck with that. Your debt projections are going to be whatever they are. The minister has already said he's not going to touch transfers. Therefore, the only way in which you'd come back from chronic deficits is if you get serious about your program spending.
You're stuck with what the Department of Finance says. They stick a cabinet label on it, saying that this is all secret and nobody can see it, so you're ending up having to look at it, and then you criticize their fantasy projections with respect to sale of assets. Then you rightly comment that their projections with gross spending averaging less than 4% are problematic, given their history.
My question is this. In the context of effectively being stonewalled on expenditures, and in the context of skepticism with respect to the minister's statement that they're going to restrain program spending to around 3%, are you therefore confident that the chronic deficit of $19 billion a year going forward is in fact accurate, or may we actually be looking at something rather more dramatic than that?