Evidence of meeting #16 for Finance in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was genome.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Yves Leboeuf  Vice-President, Policy Development, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
John D. Smith  Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Policy Development, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Lenore Duff  Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Jonathan DeWolfe  Chief, Industry and Knowledge Economy, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance
Mark Hodgson  Senior Policy Analyst, Labour Markets, Employment and Learning, Social Policy, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Allan MacGillivray  Director, Industry Framework Policy, Telecommunications Policy Branch, Department of Industry

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

Well, we'll change the dynamic here.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Do you have any further questions, Mr. McKay?

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Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

I don't know if this is of any great significance, but it does strike me as a curiosity. I can't recollect another example of where you take money in 2010 and backdate it to the previous year. I don't know why you do that and I don't know what the implications are of doing that.

Maybe you could ask your political folks what that means.

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Chief, Industry and Knowledge Economy, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance

Jonathan DeWolfe

I could clarify one aspect of that. By doing it in 2009-10, and if the budget implementation act passes before June 30, that funding would be available to Genome Canada immediately to start drawing down. It gives them the security of having the funding right away.

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Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

But it's drawing down moneys you have allocated to a budget for a fiscal year that has already expired.

Does this make any sense?

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Chief, Industry and Knowledge Economy, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance

Jonathan DeWolfe

The books on 2009-10 close on June 30, 2010.

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Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

Therefore, does that mean that Genome has already spent their money and you're just backfilling?

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Chief, Industry and Knowledge Economy, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance

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Liberal

Martha Hall Findlay Liberal Willowdale, ON

But aren't we talking about our fiscal year?

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Chief, Industry and Knowledge Economy, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance

Jonathan DeWolfe

Genome has not spent the money. It's available to them over the next number of years.

5 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

But only if this gets through by June 30. Is it available for it...?

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Chief, Industry and Knowledge Economy, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance

Jonathan DeWolfe

If the funding did not get through by June 30, it would still be available to Genome Canada, but in the next fiscal year.

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Liberal

Martha Hall Findlay Liberal Willowdale, ON

Whose fiscal year? The government's?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Order. Mr. McKay has the floor.

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Chief, Industry and Knowledge Economy, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance

Jonathan DeWolfe

Against the government's fiscal year of 2010-11.

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Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

So they would bump it on to a following year. So that would bump everything down the road by one year, presumably.

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Chief, Industry and Knowledge Economy, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance

Jonathan DeWolfe

It would delay funding for Genome Canada.

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Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

I'm not quite sure I understand the implications of this.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay. Thank you, Mr. McKay.

I have Monsieur Mulcair, and then Monsieur Paillé.

Monsieur Mulcair.

5 p.m.

NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

I want to thank the professionals from the Department of Finance who are with us this afternoon. I wouldn't ask this question if the meeting was being broadcast. The last thing I want is to embarrass anyone. The fact remains that, as an elected representative, I am always intrigued by the following situation: it's mainly the Department of Finance that sends people to us. They are very highly qualified and provide us with impeccable answers.

However, it's impossible for us to get the merest answer in French from anyone from the Department of Finance. To rise to your important duties, aren't you required to have some knowledge of French?

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Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

What relevance does this have, Chair?

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

Mr. Chairman, Mr. Menzies is entitled to his questions and I'm entitle to mine, as an elected member. The Department of Finance systematically sends us people who are incapable of speaking a word of French to us. I said I would never have asked this question if the meeting had been broadcast, but—

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Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

You are absolutely wrong.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Order, order.

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Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

You left the room to go do a media scrum. You were answered in French.