Well, no country has eliminated poverty altogether. But Canada actually does poorly compared with many other countries in terms of its own domestic poverty. Many countries in Europe have achieved rates of less than 5% poverty. We're at 10% or so. So we could do that.
What I'm saying here is that we really need to shift our thinking away from the welfare state kind of model to investment in human resource development, and that investment will pay off. So it's not money down the drain. It's investment in our future, and that will pay off in terms of reduced health care costs as well as people who are better able to contribute to their full capacity to society at large.