I've been speaking about this for the last 10 years, ever since the program reviews of the 1990s.
It's a matter of balance. It goes back to a matter of balance, and having the right balance in terms of those three legs of the stool you've probably heard me talking about in the press. You need the universities, you need the private sector, and you certainly need the government.
That government leg is growing shorter in terms of intramural research. It's out of balance. I think you have to bring some semblance back into that and make sure the departments and agencies have the A-base funding to continue--not B-base or C-base, relying on partnerships with corporations--to spur the innovation system. That's what we're talking about.
I could talk to you about a laboratory I just visited two days ago in Val-d'Or, which had been at 20-some staff and now is down to something like 11 staff. These are real. These are things that are happening across the country in federal government laboratories and right across departments and agencies. I see it all the time.