Then the magic question is going to be, with all this money that's going into research—I think Mr. Lazar was speaking about it a little bit, and it's one of the criticisms this committee has had—how do we determine whether we're getting a return on the money? I'm speaking for Canadian taxpayers.
Secondly, how do we increase productivity in this country? We are putting money into research, so why is it not showing up in our stats? What's the next step? I know there's a need to improve on commercialization—that's been one aspect—but I'd like to hear your comments on those two aspects.