Okay. I'll take a shot at capturing what you were asking me. If I get it wrong, please correct me.
During my speech I referenced the fact that the entire point of pension regulation is to ensure that members who participate in a pension plan are not then reliant on the survivability of their corporation in order to have that pension promise kept.
In the case of Air Canada, the pension holidays they took were allowed by pension legislation. Many of our members believe that somehow Air Canada didn't abide by the rules and wasn't contributing to the pension. They contributed exactly what legislation provided for them to contribute. Unfortunately, it's legislation that has failed the employees of Air Canada, and hopefully the sessions that are taking place today will rectify that situation.