Thank you for that. Yes, I think we're clear that legitimate and legal tax avoidance is something that some would say is good prudent planning, but we're looking at well-known tax havens that have very small economies. Canadians, for example, have $25.8 billion invested in the Cayman Islands and over $53 billion invested in Barbados. That's massive compared to their economies.
I know my time is so limited. I do want to ask Mr. Murphy this. We heard witnesses from the Canadian finance department earlier tell us that they don't estimate the size of tax evasion or tax havens and what that cost could be to Canada. They have no idea what that could be, and they don't gather that data. Other countries do.
Can you explain why they wouldn't gather that data? That's my first question.
My second question is, what role can Canada play at the meeting this weekend in Moscow to push for tougher measures internationally to crack down, as the OECD recommends, on tax evasion and tax havens?