Evidence of meeting #121 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was unions.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ted Cook  Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Geoff Trueman  Director, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Sean Keenan  Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Pierre Mercille  Senior Legislative Chief, Sales Tax Division, GST Legislation, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Carlos Achadinha  Legislative Chief, Sales Tax Division, Public Sector Bodies, Department of Finance
Dean Beyea  Director, International Trade Policy Division, Department of Finance
Patrick Halley  Chief, Tariffs and Market Acess, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance
Helen McElroy  Acting Director, Health Human Resources Policy Directorate, Health Canada
Alison McDermott  Acting Director General, Program Coordination Branch, Department of Industry
Raquel Fragoso Peters  Director, Policy and Liaison, Small Business, Tourism and Marketplace Services, Department of Industry
Elisha Ram  Director, Microeconomic Policy Analysis, Department of Finance
Mary Taylor  Director, Habitat Conservation Management, Department of the Environment
Diane Cofsky  Director, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Nipun Vats  Director, Federal-Provincial Relations Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Nancy Milroy-Swainson  Director General, Office for Disability Issues, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Nicolas Marion  Chief, Capital Markets and International Affairs, Securities Policies Division, Department of Finance
Soren Halverson  Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance
Janet Kavanagh  Director, Ports Policy, Department of Transport
Denis Racine  Executive Director, Major Events and Celebrations, Department of Canadian Heritage

10:25 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

The sale will only go through if it maximizes value for Canadian taxpayers. In addition to that, the government has indicated that the sale won't occur unless the purchaser is committed to providing service on an open access basis.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

Obviously there are going to be some existing contracts. Will the new owner be required to honour those contracts?

10:25 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

Yes, they will.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

Ridley Terminals has plans for an expansion to 25 million tonnes. Is it going to continue with those plans?

10:30 a.m.

Director, Ports Policy, Department of Transport

Janet Kavanagh

Yes, they will continue with the expansion plan. They're projecting that they will finish that by the end of 2014 or early 2015.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

Obviously there are going to be some concerns about foreign ownership. What about if a foreign company proceeds to try to buy it? What checks will be in place?

10:30 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

Proposals that are received from foreign buyers will be assessed through a standard bid evaluation process. That process will ensure consistency with the new guidelines that were announced in December 2012 regarding state-owned enterprises. The assessment would include a full consideration of free market principles, as well as the impact of the proposed investment on employment, production, and capital levels in Canada.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

Good. Thank you.

Those are all the questions I have, Mr. Chair.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Mr. Hsu, and then I'll go to Mr. Rankin.

Mr. Hsu.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Ted Hsu Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Does the government have any prospective buyers for Ridley Terminals at the moment?

10:30 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

It's too early to comment on any aspect of the sale process.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Ted Hsu Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Is there a type of buyer that the government is planning to sell the terminals to? What I mean is, has any priority been given to asset management companies or terminal operators over resource extraction companies or other users—companies that might be related to users of the terminal?

10:30 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

Again, the government hasn't announced any particulars around the sale process. The intent, of course, will be to develop a process that is competitive and that ensures the outcomes the government has already indicated in terms of an open access regime.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Ted Hsu Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

You mentioned maximizing value for taxpayers. What value has the government assigned to Ridley Terminals?

10:30 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

Again, that's a question that can't really be answered at this point in time. There needs to be a competitive process to come out with a proper answer to that question.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Ted Hsu Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

I think you're saying you don't really know the value until the market tells you the value through this competitive bidding process. Is that what you're saying, essentially?

10:30 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

It's premature to announce a value for the terminal. There hasn't been any indication of what that is.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Ted Hsu Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Are there any proposed terms of sale, besides what you've already announced, in terms of operating on an open access basis?

10:30 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

The government has indicated that it's looking for a buyer who will operate the terminal on a long-term and sustainable basis.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Ted Hsu Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Okay.

With respect to this sale, or divestiture, is there a plan to consult or accommodate first nations in the region?

10:30 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

The government will ensure that its duty to consult, where and as applicable, is honoured.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Ted Hsu Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

What's the expected impact of this divestiture on the Port of Prince Rupert? Are there any other facts...?

10:30 a.m.

Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance

Soren Halverson

I'll refer this question to Janet Kavanagh.

10:30 a.m.

Director, Ports Policy, Department of Transport

Janet Kavanagh

Ridley Terminals is a tenant of Prince Rupert. That will continue under a new owner. Prince Rupert will benefit as Ridley Terminals benefits, through its lease payments.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Ted Hsu Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Will that lease change at all with the change of ownership, or is that something that goes along?