--reflect the real cost to the government and the benefit in terms of society. If we believe that the charitable sector sometimes is better able to identify need and address it more cost-effectively, it's important for this committee to consider that impact as well, and the leveraging on that. I'm just saying that when you use a $34 million figure for the tax expenditure, in some ways that doesn't reflect the real cost to the government or to society.
On January 31st, 2012. See this statement in context.