I want to try to avoid the math of the member for Saint-Boniface, who talked about 600,000 jobs. For my part, I consider that 150,000 jobs a year over four years is not extraordinary.
My first question is for the representative of the Canadian Life and Health Insurance Association Inc.
Your survey worries me. In fact, the representative of the Canadian Federation of Independent Business we heard here said exactly the opposite of what you said. It wasn't just somewhat different, it was exactly the opposite. Ninety-five per cent of small employers do not want to contribute to a pension system, nor can they; 70% of them are not interested in taking on its management. It is completely the opposite of the figure you arrived at.
How can you claim that this system will be viable when the crucial decision-makers concerned, the employers, say that the plan may be useful, but they aren't interested and they don't want to contribute to it?