Thank you, Mr. Thibeault.
I'm going to go to Mr. Van Kesteren. Before I do, colleagues, I'm going to recommend that we actually continue past 5:30 with the colleagues and witnesses who are able to stay. We only need three full members, including the chair, to sit. We need one member of the opposition. Opposition members, I understand, may have to leave, but I want to give every member of the committee an opportunity.
We don't have any motions before the committee, and if witnesses are able to stay, I'm recommending that they stay. It's 5:30.
Ms. McLeod.