Evidence of meeting #62 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was work.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karen Swol  Director, Program Management, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
Dean Beyea  Director, International Trade Policy Division, Department of Finance
Olivier Nicoloff  Director, Democracy, Commonwealth and Francophonie Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Colleen Barnes  Executive Director, Domestic Policy Directorate, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Nancy Leigh  Manager, Governance Secretariat, Canada School of Public Service
Jane Pearse  Director, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Suzanne Brisebois  Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada
Louise Laflamme  Chief, Marine Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Department of Transport
Lenore Duff  Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Lawrence Hanson  Director General, Strategic Policy Directorate, Department of the Environment
Pamela Miller  Director General, Telecommunications Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Allan MacGillivray  Special Advisor to the Director General, Telecommunications Policy, Department of Industry
Alwyn Child  Director General, Program Development and Guidance Directorate, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Mireille Laroche  Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Mark Hodgson  Senior Policy Analyst, Labour Markets, Employment and Learning, Department of Finance
Patrick Halley  Chief, Tariffs and Market Acess, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance
Vivian Krause  As an Individual
Mark Blumberg  Lawyer and Partner, Blumberg Segal LLP
Dan Kelly  Senior Vice-President, Legislative Affairs, Canadian Federation of Independent Business
Dennis Howlett  Coordinator, Canadians for Tax Fairness
Jamie Ellerton  Executive Director, EthicalOil.org
Blair Rutter  Grain Growers of Canada
Marcel Lauzière  President and Chief Executive Officer, Imagine Canada
Tom King  Co-Chair, Finance and Taxation Committee, Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada
Sandra Harder  Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Cam Carruthers  Director, Program Integrity Division, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada
David Manicom  Immigration Program Manager (New Delhi), Area Director (South Asia), Department of Citizenship and Immigration

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

That's correct.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Can you just tell us how long it's been in effect and give just a little bit of the context?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

The legislation was established in 1992. Obviously, the tribunal was established at that time.

Was the second part of the question on the rationale for it?

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

I would just like the context. Why the change now?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

Do you mean why the change of moving it now to the CIRB?

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Yes.

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

It is being moved to the CIRB now simply because there isn't enough activity at the Canadian Artists and Professional Relations Tribunal to justify maintaining its existence as a separate organization. As you pointed out initially, they both deal with the same subject matter. The understanding is that CIRB will be able to undertake the responsibilities and manage the industrial relations for artists as well as for others in the federal jurisdiction.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

When you say there isn't the activity, how many cases would the tribunal hear in a year?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

In the last several years there has been an average of two or three cases—a very small number.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Is there a tribunal jurisprudence that the tribunal has been basing its decisions on?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

There is some jurisprudence. There is experience with the Canada Industrial Relations Board. They will be able to understand and apply that jurisprudence as well.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

So they'll be incorporating that into their decision-making.

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

That's correct.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Will there be any loss of expertise particular to the arts community that may not be reflected through the Industrial Relations Board?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

There will be some transfer of individuals who are at CAPPRT now to the board to ensure continuity of experience.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

What will be the financial impact of this change?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

There will be a savings of $1.75 million in 2014 when the legislation takes effect.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you.

We'll go to Mr. Van Kesteren please.

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Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I was going to ask the same question on the activity, and you've answered that. It's quite diminished.

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

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Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

Just to repeat that again, you said that $1.75 million would be saved by moving this.

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Lenore Duff

That's correct.

May 28th, 2012 / 5 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

Okay, that's all I need to know.

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

That's all I have for members' questions.

Thank you very much.

Do members want to take a health break?