One of the challenges we dealt with, and the service would be dealing with today, is that the vast bulk of people who come to this country as new Canadians come from parts of the world where the intelligence services are very unpleasant folk, and it's hard to get out of their mind that mindset when they come over here and deal with us. Our intelligence service is different. They don't assume that, so you do need their cooperation in terms of dealing with homegrown threats and things of that nature.
If you want to find out, look at the submission, as I pointed out, that CSIS itself made to the Arar commission inquiry in part two where it talked about in the early days—and I was there—there were very rough relationships between them and SIRC. Those improved over time because they realized the value of having an independent third party who could speak to the public with some credibility. But that means you'd better staff that vehicle in such a way that it is credible. Mandate, fuel, money, and personnel who have the right competencies, not long CVs, not sitting there drooling because their best days are behind them. Someone with a bit of vigour who knows what this is about and knows how to articulate that. That is the best way of enhancing the credibility of CSIS in Canada with the Canada that we have today.