Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Mr. Clemens, I'm in one of those situations where I agree with you and I disagree with you at the same time.
You talked about old age security and that it has addressed seniors' poverty. Yes, to a marginal degree over time it did, in the days that it was first undertaken, when people were starving to death on the Prairies.
Are you aware that the low-income cut-off is about $22,000 a year? Would you accept that as the poverty line, sir? You don't think that's the poverty line?