Well, let's talk about what seniors get. Seniors get $1,140 a month, and they don't get GIS unless they quality for OAS. If they're getting $1,140 a month in Canada, they are definitely below the poverty line. They are definitely living in poverty. Pause and think for a second how far one can go with that.
I spoke to people across this country. I held 40 town hall meetings across the country. I talked to seniors about what their lives were like. I listened to them. In St. Thomas a woman told me that some of her husband's medication had been delisted. She didn't know where she would find $90 a month. When the HST was coming in, a lady up in Elliot Lake was worried about where she would find $161 a year. That's where people are in this.
I can't say I disagree with you, sir, on potentially looking at the cut-off point where people qualify for this and that.
Mr. Jackson, I'd like to ask you a question, sir, about the implications of the transfer of this money. People on ODSP, the Ontario disability support program, who look to get ahead a little bit, or people on welfare who look at getting ahead a little bit, at age 65 will be at the lower rate for an additional two years, even lower than GIS and OAS, but the cost is also passed along. Do you agree?