That's a very interesting question.
It's very evident to me that it actually does not help people in poverty. It helps people who are working in corporations. If the answer to not being in poverty is a job, then those who work in corporations benefit. It's interesting because poverty is a complex thing. Very often people think, well, you just need a job. There are a lot of people who are poor who have jobs. I've worked as a professional social worker for a long time, and I've lived 35 years in poverty. A job is not the solution.
I would propose to you that a comprehensive federal plan is what we need, because if we tweak here and tweak there, it's piecework and it doesn't work. We know that it doesn't work because that's the system we have today. We need all levels of government, federal and provincial. We need all sectors. We need business sectors and civil society. We need to bring ourselves together to work collaboratively on this to end poverty in Canada, period.