Evidence of meeting #83 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was unions.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John Logan  Professor, Labour and Employment Relations, San Francisco State University
Daniel Kelly  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Federation of Independent Business
Robert Blakely  Chief Operating Officer, Canadian Office, Building and Construction Trades Department, AFL-CIO
Michael Mazzuca  Chair, National Pensions and Benefits Law Section, Canadian Bar Association
Kenneth V. Georgetti  President, Canadian Labour Congress
Gregory Thomas  Federal and Ontario Director, Canadian Taxpayers Federation

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Federal and Ontario Director, Canadian Taxpayers Federation

Gregory Thomas

—but I think that if you're talking about whether something is going to pass a constitutional test or whether....

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

I'll go to Mr. Logan. I'm sorry. I have a whole bunch.

Mr. Logan?

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Professor, Labour and Employment Relations, San Francisco State University

Dr. John Logan

I'm more focused on the costs and benefits of the bill, so I would say no, but I think it's not the most important issue.

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Okay—no.

Mr. Kelly?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Federation of Independent Business

Daniel Kelly

Sorry—can you repeat the question?

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

In your opinion, on the amendment proposed by Mr. Hiebert that would ensure home addresses are not published, would that improve the bill?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Federation of Independent Business

Daniel Kelly

Sure. Yes.

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Okay. Thank you.

The next thing he committed to doing was dealing with that issue around confidentiality of solicitor-client privilege. If his wording in his amendment is proper, is that going to improve the bill?

Can we just do yes or no?

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Chief Operating Officer, Canadian Office, Building and Construction Trades Department, AFL-CIO

Robert Blakely

Without seeing the amendment I—

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

The amendment does link it.

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Chief Operating Officer, Canadian Office, Building and Construction Trades Department, AFL-CIO

Robert Blakely

If the amendment makes it so that solicitor-client privilege is in fact protected, I would say that's great. Without reading the amendment, I can't tell you if it does or not.

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

I appreciate that.

Mr. Mazzuca?

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Chair, National Pensions and Benefits Law Section, Canadian Bar Association

Michael Mazzuca

It currently requires disclosure of legal activity. I think that should be excluded.

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Okay.

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President, Canadian Labour Congress

Kenneth V. Georgetti

I agree.

It doesn't just cover solicitor-client privilege. It covers the bills that they send us, even how much lawyers are charging us.

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Chief Operating Officer, Canadian Office, Building and Construction Trades Department, AFL-CIO

Robert Blakely

That's privileged.

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

You don't want to get into the weeds, so I'll leave you out.

Mr. Logan, would that improve it?

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Professor, Labour and Employment Relations, San Francisco State University

Dr. John Logan

I think it would require substantial revision and not just—

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Thank you.

Mr. Kelly?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Federation of Independent Business

Daniel Kelly

I'm sorry, I don't know.

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

One of the other things that he has committed to is having very specific language around the pension, the health-care funds, and the definition of a labour trust. If the amendment is created in a way that addresses the concerns that we've heard commonly, is that going to improve the bill, yes or no?

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Chief Operating Officer, Canadian Office, Building and Construction Trades Department, AFL-CIO

Robert Blakely

If it excludes trust funds and excludes reference to the payments that are made to people under trust funds and basically carves trust funds out, yes. Short of that, no.

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Thank you.

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Chair, National Pensions and Benefits Law Section, Canadian Bar Association

Michael Mazzuca

Again, I think labour trusts should be exempted from the bill.