In an ideal world, I think you will hear us, the CFIB and others say that we would like a freeze in the premiums. In the current context I think, as you mentioned, the 5¢ increase instead of 15¢, and 7¢ instead of 21¢ for employers, is reasonable. The CFIB will have better numbers about this. I know that for some companies that are near the $10,000, they won't have access to the rebate. I don't know how big it is, but it's mostly for small companies. I'm sure the CFIB will talk about that.
On November 6th, 2012. See this statement in context.