Finance Committee on Nov. 21st, 2012

Evidence of meeting #94 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Bill C-45, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 29, 2012 and other measures

Committee Business

Also speaking

Ted Cook Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Dave Van Kesteren Chatham-Kent—Essex, CPC

Mike MacPherson Procedural Clerk

Chad Mariage Procedural Clerk

Jean Michel Roy Procedural Clerk

Clerk

Paul Cardegna Procedural Clerk

6:05 a.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

6:05 a.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Maybe we should.

Give me a second here, please.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

You can either challenge the ruling—and a challenge of the ruling has to be done immediately—or we move on.

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Yes, I understand that, Mr. Chairman, but you have a point of order.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Is there a point of order, Mrs. McLeod?

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

My only point of order was that the member seems to be engaging in debate, as opposed to challenging your decisions, sir. Therefore, I think we need to move on.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Either there's a challenge of a decision, or we move on.

Is there a challenge?

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

I understand that, Mr. Chairman, but I am tempted on one, but not the other two. That's the dilemma you're putting me in, because I believe you may be right on the amendment LIB-225, but I'm not sure you are on the amendment LIB-226 or LIB-227. How do I do that?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Mr. Bélanger, you're engaging in debate. I've made my ruling. If you don't accept the ruling, you can challenge the chair, as you well know, or you cannot challenge the chair. That's your decision.

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

This is half a challenge.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay, so it's a challenge.

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Mr. Chairman, I'll just make the point, and I won't challenge. I do believe, and I would ask you, with the clerks, to reflect on this fact, that amendments LIB-226 and LIB-227 are not of the same ilk as amendment LIB-225.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

That's debate.

Shall clause 307 carry?

Do you want a recorded vote?

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Yes.

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Conservative