Evidence of meeting #94 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ted Cook  Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Mike MacPherson  Procedural Clerk
Chad Mariage  Procedural Clerk
Jean Michel Roy  Procedural Clerk
Paul Cardegna  Procedural Clerk

8:05 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

I'd like a recorded vote, please.

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Shall clause 7 carry?

8:05 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Could we have a recorded vote, please?

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

We have a recorded vote on clause 7.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

A point of order, Mr. Chair, if I may.

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

Kellie Leitch Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

The two of you can't speak.

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

I'll deal with the vote first.

Shall clause 7 carry?

Mr. McCallum has asked for a recorded vote.

Who's at the table for the Liberal Party of Canada? The clerk tells me it's Mr. Brison.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

When you're sitting at the table as a full member, you vote.

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Mr. Brison is a full member.

8:10 p.m.

An hon. member

What a shame.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. McCallum is voting on this one.

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

So it will be Mr. McCallum.

Mr. McCallum has asked for a recorded vote.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Yes.

(Clause 7 agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

The Liberal Party of Canada has one member on the finance committee. Who now is the person representing the Liberals on the finance committee?

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

If I may, Mr. Chair—

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

No. I'd like an answer to my question first.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

No, I can speak.

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

I'd like an answer to my question first. Who is representing?

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

My understanding of the rules, Mr. Chairperson, is that all members—

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Just hold on. Mr. Brison is the full member of the finance committee and Mr. Brison is at the table. It should be Mr. Brison who speaks for the Liberal Party if he is at the table.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

I am at the moment, Mr. Chair, but perhaps I could read this one Standing Order, “Any Member of the House—”

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay. Just hold on. Mr. McCallum, you're representing the Liberals. It's your point of order.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Yes, it's my point of order, if you will. I want to read section 119 from the Standing Orders. It says:

Any Member of the House who is not a member of a standing, special or legislative committee, may, unless the House or the committee concerned otherwise orders, take part in the public proceedings of the committee, but may not vote or move any motion, nor be part of any quorum.

I think that answers your question. The Liberal Party can have more than one person possibly speaking for it, but not more than one person voting for it. Is that a legitimate point?

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Chair, let me just add to that.

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Hold on. We're clarifying with the clerks. May I have your patience on this?

My perception, and I'm confirmed in this by the clerks, is that if Mr. Lamoureux wants to speak, he should be subbed in, unless the committee grants that they want to hear from Mr. Lamoureux. If not, he will have to be subbed in for Mr. Brison.

Does the committee wish to hear from Mr. Lamoureux?