Finance Committee on Nov. 21st, 2012

[John McCallum, Liberal, Markham—Unionville, ON]

I'd like a recorded vote, please.

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Shall clause 7 carry?

[John McCallum, Liberal, Markham—Unionville, ON]

Could we have a recorded vote, please?

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

We have a recorded vote on clause 7.

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

A point of order, Mr. Chair, if I may.

[Kellie Leitch, Conservative, Simcoe—Grey, ON]

The two of you can't speak.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

I'll deal with the vote first.

Shall clause 7 carry?

Mr. McCallum has asked for a recorded vote.

Who's at the table for the Liberal Party of Canada? The clerk tells me it's Mr. Brison.

[Scott Brison, Liberal, Kings—Hants, NS]

When you're sitting at the table as a full member, you vote.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Mr. Brison is a full member.

[An hon. member]

What a shame.

[Scott Brison, Liberal, Kings—Hants, NS]

Mr. McCallum is voting on this one.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

So it will be Mr. McCallum.

Mr. McCallum has asked for a recorded vote.

[John McCallum, Liberal, Markham—Unionville, ON]

Yes.

(Clause 7 agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

The Liberal Party of Canada has one member on the finance committee. Who now is the person representing the Liberals on the finance committee?

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

If I may, Mr. Chair—

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

No. I'd like an answer to my question first.

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

No, I can speak.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

I'd like an answer to my question first. Who is representing?

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

My understanding of the rules, Mr. Chairperson, is that all members—

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Just hold on. Mr. Brison is the full member of the finance committee and Mr. Brison is at the table. It should be Mr. Brison who speaks for the Liberal Party if he is at the table.

[John McCallum, Liberal, Markham—Unionville, ON]

I am at the moment, Mr. Chair, but perhaps I could read this one Standing Order, “Any Member of the House—”

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Okay. Just hold on. Mr. McCallum, you're representing the Liberals. It's your point of order.

[John McCallum, Liberal, Markham—Unionville, ON]

Yes, it's my point of order, if you will. I want to read section 119 from the Standing Orders. It says:

Any Member of the House who is not a member of a standing, special or legislative committee, may, unless the House or the committee concerned otherwise orders, take part in the public proceedings of the committee, but may not vote or move any motion, nor be part of any quorum.

I think that answers your question. The Liberal Party can have more than one person possibly speaking for it, but not more than one person voting for it. Is that a legitimate point?

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

Mr. Chair, let me just add to that.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Hold on. We're clarifying with the clerks. May I have your patience on this?

My perception, and I'm confirmed in this by the clerks, is that if Mr. Lamoureux wants to speak, he should be subbed in, unless the committee grants that they want to hear from Mr. Lamoureux. If not, he will have to be subbed in for Mr. Brison.

Does the committee wish to hear from Mr. Lamoureux?