Finance Committee on Nov. 21st, 2012

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

That point of order was dealt with. There was no unanimous consent to group amendments.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

A different point of order?

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

Sure.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Again, I encourage colleagues—

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

I understand.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

I'm instructed to deal with the amendments and put the votes successively. So if we get into a series of points of order, I will not be doing that.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

This is a serious point or order.

Mr. Chair, to the clerk through you, is it necessary to have unanimous consent for a grouping? If it's the NDP's motion, I think it's up to them whether they want to group them or not. I don't think it's up to unanimous consent.

So the NDP can group their motions, if they would like to, same as we could if we wanted to group ours. It's not up to unanimous consent.

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

On the same point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

On the same point of order, Mr. Lamoureux?

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

Yes, on the same point of order, to the very best of my knowledge, when you're dealing with any form of amendments or subamendments at the committee stage in which any sort of a grouping is made, any member of the committee can object to the grouping. The originator doesn't matter, any member of the committee can request that they not be grouped. The reason they do that is that ultimately they want to ensure the rights of each person to participate by ensuring an actual recorded vote.

If you don't allow that, if you allow the grouping without having unanimous consent, you're forcing some members of the committee not to be able to voice their vote on what could be a very important amendment.

So, Mr. Chair, I think it's probably best if we continue on.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

I am advised by the clerks that this is something I cannot do, that I would need unanimous consent to do so.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Thank you.

I want to ask one more question, then, on that point. Mr. Lamoureux is asking if we can have a recorded vote on a group of votes, is that correct? If that's the roadblock to this, surely we can have a recorded vote on a block and we can get beyond this, if that is Mr. Lamoureux’s thinking.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

I don't have an amendment or a motion to that effect.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

I move that we group the votes and have a recorded vote on—

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

As your chair, I will make every effort to move this along, as I have done tonight. I will ask for consent to group amendments throughout the evening.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

That’s perfect.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

I'm told that if we vote on every single amendment or clause, we'll be here for just under 30 hours. I would hope that we not be here for 30 hours, but we'll see what happens.

NDP-4 was defeated.

Next is amendment LIB-61.

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

Mr. Chair, I would like a recorded vote, please.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Amendment LIB-62.

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

Mr. Chair, I request a recorded vote, please.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Go ahead, Mr. Lamoureux.

[Kevin Lamoureux, Liberal, Winnipeg North, MB]

Mr. Chair, I'm not sure if we actually had a vote on LIB-61, which should have been first.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

The vote on LIB-61 was defeated 6 to 5.

We'll move now to LIB-63.