I'm a believer in the labour-sponsored model and the accomplishments it's achieved over the years. I think there are a lot of myths and there is a lot of misinformation.
If Mr. Mintz were going to use rates of return simply, he'd do away with the BDC venture capital program, if you looked at their rates of return over the last 10 years. Is that what he's suggesting? I don't think so.
The federal government has always been actively involved in—