Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll be sharing my time with Mr. Jean.
I welcome our witnesses.
Part of our discussion here that I keep coming back to, as I mentioned in my last questions, is the responsibility of legislators or governments to find balance, and I think it's the responsibility of unions as well to participate in that balance. It's sometimes difficult to do.
On this question, I want to go to Mr. Murray at the Frontier Centre for Public Policy. One of the statements made by one of the witnesses was that during the height of the economic downturn, we lost 400,000 or 500,000 jobs in a relatively short period of time, and yet the size of the civil service increased.
I think we're seeing that straight across the country, in that for every attempt to modernize and restructure the dispute resolution process to make it more cost-effective, quicker, and more in line with other jurisdictions, and every time anyone asks for change, there's always someone who says we shouldn't make that change.
What are other jurisdictions in Canada doing?