Over the last several rounds of negotiations, I think we have been fiscally responsible with our membership and with the government. I think we need to step away from this notion about the private sector versus the public sector. I can tell you, I have members who make less because they work for the federal government than they could make in the private sector, and we have studies to prove that. You take a heavy-duty mechanic from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, who works at the base out there, works for the federal government—he makes less than the heavy-duty mechanic down the road.
I'm sorry, sir, but when you take a look—