Well, if you just stay with cash for a minute, if you look at the volume of cash transactions...and of course you have to estimate it. The way you estimate it is that you go to the great statistics from Interac and you make some assumptions that most of the cash that is taken out of an ATM is spent in a transaction. On a volume basis, cash probably makes up 40% of the transactions, but on a value basis, it's tiny. It's probably 10%.
On March 4th, 2014. See this statement in context.