Thank you, Mr. Chair. And thank you all for being here.
I think this is an incredibly important discussion we're having here and I do want to thank the committee for having me as a visitor.
I want to double back to something that Mr. Keddy said, which is essentially the nub of the issue with unpaid internships. When it's an employment substitute, it's really an abuse of the internship process and the whole concept of what interns are or should be or could be.
And I'd like to get a sense first from Ms. Seaborn about what kind of implications are there for...? You can't say that they're running against the rules if there are no rules. I think what we're seeing here in the federal space is a lack of clear rules that impact young people and impact employers, too. So I want to get a sense first from you Ms. Seaborn, what the implications are of not having specific rules for when an employer can host an internship. And what implications do you see of not treating unpaid internship hours as work?