There were a couple of comments made by Denise of the Association of Canadian Community Colleges. One of them was that apprenticeship can lead to ownership. The other comment was that guidance counsellors or teachers or quite frankly parents are encouraging kids to get, as Mr. Brison said, their bachelor of arts in history, which can only take you so far. It's a gateway, but it's a very narrow gateway.
One thing that has been done in Nova Scotia, about which I've talked several times to different groups here, is to let your first two years of community college now qualify as your first two years of university. You can do a carpentry course, a machinist course, or a nurse's aide course and actually work and make good money, and then you can decide that you might want to go to university to take business because you actually want to run a business.
How does that work as part of this huge organic mass that we're trying to chip away at?