Very quickly, you're right about the parents, but I'm going to give you an example. I sat down with a group of tradespeople and for the most part they were all men who are involved in the trades industry. I'm not convinced it's just universities. I'll tell you what happened. The conversation basically went this way.
We talked about other possibilities for young men. They're more interested in things like policing and firemen. I just want your comments on this, and I have some personal experience with that because I have sons who are policemen. They're well paid, there's no question.