I'll just add to Sarah's comments. There are two other take-aways for us.
First of all, I talked about barriers to perception in my comments. One business leader we met with talked about a parity of esteem between the trades and other more academic fields. Essentially, about 60% of school leavers move into the trades. Simply put, trades are upheld at a different level.
The second thing is that the mobility and harmonization of the system across the country are remarkable there. I talked about mobility as a barrier here. There, there's no question that an apprentice can move from one place to another or move out of one stream and into another stream. They have a level of mobility to find the right fit that simply doesn't exist in our system today. That's another area in which we could definitely make some improvements.