I would say that if you talk to colleges and polytechnics and you ask them how many people they take in their programs, or what their rate of placement is, a lot of them are approaching above 95%. They tell us that they have more applications than they can take; they could place more people.
I don't know how to reconcile these numbers, but what I hear from my members and from applied research and colleges is really in line with what we're hearing from our members. I can't see how I can reconcile why they're saying that or why they think there's no problem. I don't see why our members would say so if it weren't a problem. The labour and skills shortage is one of the top issues I keep hearing all the time across the country.