On this issue we can follow up with the committee in terms of providing the information that you are requesting.
I want to take a few seconds to respond to the second part of your question. This is key in terms of our role before this committee and our numerous attempts over the last 10 years to adequately represent exactly what you're speaking about. If the cost of health care is rising in aboriginal communities it's because the costs of other programs stay the same—housing, education. All of that has an impact on the health sector.
We often find ourselves in this vicious cycle that is reflected in the last part of your question, which is what happens beyond 2015? That creates a lot of uncertainty in our own institutions and in our own first nations governments, not counting the tremendous turnaround in personnel. That also causes instability in many of the programs, which we don't need.
As I said earlier, we come and we respect. I don't want to be out of order but I need to say this: we respect the institutions of Parliament, but at the same time some of our people might not agree with this. We come to these committees and express what we feel about these totally disappointing programs in terms of their impact on our communities. We provide suggestions for change, but with little result. To me, this is what we take back to our leadership.