I think the best way to do it is through applied education where you combine the theory with the practical. That's my philosophical commitment to polytechnic applied education.
But you see, up to now—and I say this with all the experience I gained from the R and D review panel, also known as the Robinson panel, but truly known as the Jenkins panel—we've said that innovation is an elite game. I sit here with august research bodies and I feel as if one of these things just doesn't belong, as on Sesame Street. I don't hear those who are talking about Canada's science achievements saying that we need the makers, the people who build the prototypes, who do the cost avoidance studies, and who do the scaling up. So I think that all workers need to be innovative. That's my absolute conviction.