Thank you, Chair, and thank you all for coming.
Mr. Adler was going on the same vein I wanted to go on. I wanted to possibly, maybe not justify what our government is doing, but to see the benefit. I hear what you're saying, but I also think of policies that we put in place, not necessarily this government or this particular country, but I'm thinking of the United States with the electric cars, for instance. That isn't really showing a whole lot of promise either. Yet most people would agree that this is not a bad policy. We need to encourage people.
I don't want to dwell on this too long, but I think Mr. Adler was saying we've got a lot of kids who aren't getting any exercise, and this is a program where we're going to encourage parents. Maybe we're not getting the results we want, but it's still a move in the right direction. I don't know if you want to comment on that, but maybe we can just wrap up on that point.
I certainly appreciate the work you're doing and some of the other things you brought forward.
I want to ask the rest of the panel. I'm listening to the conversation here, and we all agree that we have to tax. There are services we provide as a government that are expected, and we add some to make government that much better. I can see two roadblocks to some of the suggestions you're making. One of them is that we have people in place whom we hire, people in the bureaucracies, whose jobs are to maintain that flow. We can give away everything, and we can change everything around, but it's imperative that we have a certain amount—what is it now, $240 billion a year?—that we have to collect.
Possibly to you, Mr. Ball, and Mr. Carman as well, is that maybe an area of frustration, that you're running up against bureaucracies? They're really doing their jobs, but are they making it that much more difficult to change some of the status quos, some of the things we've come to expect in some of the areas of revenue we've tapped into?