Yes, to your first question about the industry being excluded from very important elements of the healthy eating strategy, the example I can give you is the consultation on the revision of Canada's food guide. Everyone did have the opportunity to provide input via an online survey. It was a very clunky sort of survey that only allowed you to enter text, no visuals or charts. In addition to that, the in-person consultations that Health Canada undertook excluded industry entirely, despite the need and request from farmers, from the entire food industry, for an in-person meeting to have a fulsome dialogue on the policy. We were denied that opportunity and were excluded from those important conversations.
In terms of your question around what I believe is a $1.8-billion figure, that actually comes from the food processing industry round table that was chaired, I believe, by Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada. I can provide the full report,