In our sector, colleges and universities are working more hand in glove. What you'll find is that our university students will graduate and move on to a college system. We share a campus with Durham College, so the mobility is high, and you will see Durham College students graduate and become our students.
The challenge for us is always at all levels. It's about making parents more aware and making kids, as they're moving through school, more aware of where sector skill shortages exist, and how we can work collectively with our partners at the K to grade 12 level to think about how we prepare the workforce of the future.
As you rightly point out, we need people with varied skills, and we need them in varied areas. Reducing the stigma of what it means to go to college has come a long way, but certainly around the trades, there's room to improve. The fact that we see more and more universities and colleges working hand in glove is a good indicator, and we're certainly committed to doing even more of that work.