Evidence of meeting #203 for Finance in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was body.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Trevor McGowan  Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Maude Lavoie  Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Pierre Leblanc  Director General, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Blaine Langdon  Director, Charities, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Mark Maxson  Acting Director, Personal IncomeTax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Carlos Achadinha  Senior Director, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Phil King  Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I call the meeting to order.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) we'll be dealing with the subject matter of Bill C-97, an act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 19, 2019 and other measures. We will deal with it part by part, and then turn to part 4, various divisions.

We have a number of officials here.

Before we do that, under Standing Order 106(2), due to losing one vice-chair of the committee, we need to elect another.

Does somebody want to move that motion?

Mr. Fergus.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

I nominate Pierre-Luc Dusseault, member for Sherbrooke, for the position of vice-chair of the Standing Committee on Finance.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

With that, are there any other nominations?.

(Motion agreed to)

Welcome, Mr. Dusseault, back to an original position, I believe.

We will start on the budget implementation act, part 1, amendments to the Income Tax Act and other legislation.

With us we have Trevor McGowan, who is director general, tax legislation division, tax policy branch; Maude Lavoie, director general, business income tax division; and Pierre Leblanc, director general, personal income tax division.

I believe the floor is yours, Mr. McGowan, and we'll go from there.

3:30 p.m.

Trevor McGowan Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I will provide a short overview of each of these measures in the order in which they appear in the bill.

The first measure in part 1 provides a temporary enhanced capital cost allowance, which is essentially tax depreciation in respect of the purchase of new zero-emission vehicles. These are fully electric, fully powered by hydrogen or a plug-in hybrid with a battery capacity of at least 15 kilowatt hours. It also increases the capital cost limit for zero-emission passenger vehicles to $55,000, in terms of what can be depreciated, from the existing limit of $30,000 for passenger vehicles.

The second measure removes the requirement that property be of national importance in order to qualify for the enhanced tax incentives for donations of cultural property, while retaining the requirement that the property be of outstanding significance.

The next measure introduces further enhanced rates of capital cost allowance. It provides an enhanced 100% capital cost allowance rate, which provides a full first-year deduction in respect of certain manufacturing and processing machinery as well as certain green-energy equipment. In addition, it provides, effectively, three times the normal first-year allowance for other sorts of depreciable property, that's to say, almost every other type of depreciable capital property.

The next measure relates to kinship care programs. It ensures that the receipt of amounts under a provincial kinship care program will not adversely affect entitlement to the Canada workers benefit. In addition, it ensures that such amounts are not included in computing a recipient's income and do not reduce entitlement or include it for purposes of determining means-tested benefits.

The next measure removes taxable income as a factor in determining a Canadian-controlled private corporation’s entitlement to the enhanced scientific research and experimental development tax credit, while retaining the taxable capital factor that is currently in place.

The next measure relates to providing support for Canadian journalism. In particular, it provides three separate benefits. First, it allows registered journalism organizations to be qualified donees for income tax purposes, which, in addition to providing an exemption from income tax, allows them to issue charitable donation receipts. Second, it introduces a 25% refundable tax credit on salary or wages paid to eligible newsroom employees for certain qualified Canadian journalism organizations. This credit will be subject to a cap on labour costs of $55,000 per eligible employee, which works out to a $13,750 tax credit benefit per employee. Third, it provides a temporary, non-refundable 15% tax credit on amounts paid by individuals in respect of certain digital news subscriptions.

The next measure introduces the Canada training credit, which is a refundable tax credit providing support for eligible training fees for individuals between the ages of 25 and 64. This credit accumulates at an amount of $250 per eligible year in a notional account up to a lifetime limit of $5,000. The credit can be applied against up to half the cost of eligible training fees.

The next measure updates a cross-reference in the Income Tax Act relating to the use of cannabis for medical purposes, to reflect the currently existing regulations that apply to cannabis.

The next measure applies in respect of the rules in the Income Tax Act that prevent the inappropriate multiplication of access to the small business deduction. Currently there is an exception that applies where farming or fishing products are sold to an arm's-length co-operative organization. This measure would expand that exemption, providing a benefit to affected farmers in any case where a farmer or a fisher sells products to an arm's-length corporation, and removing the requirement that the purchaser be a co-operative corporation.

The next measure extends the currently existing mineral exploration tax credit for an additional five years. This credit provides a 15% credit in respect of certain grassroots mineral exploration.

The next measure applies in respect of certain communal organizations and in particular it ensures that income earned in a deemed trust that arises in respect of those communal organizations retains its character as it is flowed out through the deemed trust to the members of the congregation.

The next measure relates to the homebuyers' plan, and has two components. First, it increases the homebuyers' plan withdrawal limit from $25,000 to $35,000. In addition the measure also provides that, subject to certain conditions, individuals who experience the breakdown of a marriage or common-law partnership can be permitted to participate in the homebuyers' plan even if they do not meet the first time homebuyer requirement.

The next measure relates to liability for income tax in respect of income earned in a tax-free savings account. Generally, income earned in TFSA is tax free with two important exceptions. One is income from carrying on a business in the TFSA. Most commonly, that can be thought of as day-trading types of activities. Currently, TFSAs are liable to tax on income from carrying on a business. The trustee of the trust, generally the financial institution providing it, is jointly and severally liable. This measure would cap the liability of the trustee at the amount of assets in the trust. In addition, it would extend joint and several liability to the TFSA holder, who would be in the best position to know whether or not the TFSA is carrying on a business.

The next measure relates to relief from overpayments of salary or wages. It is intended to help alleviate cash flow issues where an amount is paid to an employee and an amount is withheld in respect of the salary or wages and remitted to the government. Under the current tax rules, the employee would have to reimburse their employer the gross amount of the payment and apply to the Canada Revenue Agency for a refund of the taxes that have been withheld and remitted. This allows the employee to return to the employer only the net amount they received, and allows the employer to obtain the refund of the withheld taxes from the Canada Revenue Agency, thus helping to alleviate the cash flow issued for the amount that had been withheld but not received by the employee.

The next measure relates to providing enhanced capital cost allowance rates under clauses 43.1 and 43.2 of the regulations, and these are at rates of 30% and 50%. These are extended in respect of eligible electric vehicle charging stations and a broader range of electrical energy storage equipment. It's important to notice an accelerated 100% capital cost allowance rate is going to be provided in respect of the accelerated investment incentive I'd mentioned earlier. That would apply in respect of this measure as well. They would have a permanent 30% or 50% capital cost allowance rate but also be eligible for the temporary accelerated investment incentive measure.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I know you have a question, Mr. Sorbara, but we'll go through all the explanations, and then we'll come back and start with section 1.1.1 and go through them one at a time. If people note their questions going through, I think it will be faster to go through it that way.

Go ahead, Mr. McGowan. Sorry.

3:40 p.m.

Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Trevor McGowan

Thank you, Chair.

I just have two left.

The second-last measure relates to the Canadian film or video production tax credit. It provides a 25% refundable tax to qualified corporations in respect of qualified labour expenditures, and it would allow joint projects of producers from Canada and Belgium to qualify for the tax credit.

Lastly, part 1 of the bill contains a measure relating to the enhanced Canada pension plan. It allows for the appropriate reporting of pension adjustments where a pension plan is integrated with the new and enhanced Canada pension plan.

That's a summary of each of the measures in part 1 of the bill.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I think everybody has the paper that was provided by the Library of Parliament. That explanation will go with those headlines.

Thank you, Mr. McGowan, for going through that. I think a number of people were at the briefing initially on the BIA as well. We have that information from both.

I'll start with section 1.1.1. That would be the expansion of the first-year capital cost allowance rate for zero-emission vehicles.

Is there any discussion on that?

Mr. Dusseault.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

My thanks to the witnesses for coming to explain some parts of the bill.

My first question is about section 1.1.1. Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the case of vehicles in class 54, there seems to be a $55,000 limit on the capital cost allowance rate for the first year.

Is the idea to reflect the government's announcement about people who buy electric vehicles? Is it to reflect that amount? If not, is there a specific explanation?

3:45 p.m.

Maude Lavoie Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Good afternoon.

Right now, under the Income Tax Act, the deduction limit is $30,000 for businesses that purchase a passenger vehicle. For example, if they buy a $50,000 vehicle, they can only deduct $30,000 for tax purposes. The intent is to reflect the average cost of a vehicle in Canada. The limit has been increased to $55,000 for electric vehicles, since their cost is much higher. This is about reflecting their cost.

Businesses that need to purchase a passenger vehicle will therefore be able to deduct up to $55,000. If the vehicle costs $70,000, a portion will be non-deductible, but the limit will be higher than the $30,000 threshold currently imposed for gasoline-powered vehicles. The limit is for passenger vehicles. It is not imposed on trucks hauling freight, or on buses and taxis. For those, the full amount may be deducted.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

Is that category 55?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Maude Lavoie

That's right.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mr. Poilievre.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

You just described the limit for the tax break for businesses. What about the limit for the rebate? Is it $45,000?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Maude Lavoie

The rebate is not part of the bill. I understand that $45,000 is the maximum for the price of the car. Officials from Transport Canada would be able to provide you more information on that rebate.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

If an electric vehicle cost $75,000, then a buyer would be eligible for the first $55,000 and $20,000 would not be eligible for the capital cost allowance?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Maude Lavoie

That's correct. The proportion above $55,000 would not be deductible for tax purposes, which is nevertheless an increase from the same vehicle that is gas powered. The amount above $30,000 would not be deductible for tax purposes.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Are there any further questions?

Mr. Dusseault.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

I'm not sure whether you will be able to answer the question, but I would like to come back to the rebate for ordinary citizens who buy vehicles. Is there a reason why this is not a legislative proposal? As I understand it, there is no real need for a legislative change and that is why it is not in the bill today. Am I mistaken?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Maude Lavoie

Unfortunately, I can't answer your question, since we are here to talk about tax measures. The question is really outside the scope of the topic.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Go ahead, Pierre.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

Could you provide us with some figures on the impact of this measure? Have any analyses been conducted to determine the amount that can be expected per year and the amounts for the government's tax assistance under this measure?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Maude Lavoie

Yes, that's certainly the sort of analysis we conduct in the department while the government is thinking about this sort of measure. Reducing vehicle costs has an impact: the closer you get to the cost of gasoline-powered vehicles, the more attractive buying electric vehicles becomes. We must also consider the fact that there will be reductions because of savings in fuel and maintenance, among other things.

Yes, we hope that this will encourage companies to buy more vehicles like that.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

So it hasn't been quantified. There is no objective. The tax impact has not been calculated to forecast what the measure will mean for Canada, right? For example, is it a few million dollars a year?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Maude Lavoie

The cost of the measure was actually quantified. I can give you the amounts, if you wish.

For the period 2019-2020 to 2023-2024, it is estimated that this will cost the government $265 million.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

Thank you.