Evidence of meeting #217 for Finance in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cppib.
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Noon
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
I guess it was we who made it. Was it, David?
I'll accept responsibility for it, but if you....
Thank you, gentlemen. I don't want to hold you up. I know you're trying to get that information for Mr. Kmiec.
There were a number of motions and things that we needed to deal with, so I made the decision to go in camera. Sometimes they're open; sometimes they're not.
Noon
NDP
Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC
Well, I would move that, as is the usual practice of this committee, committee business be done in public. If there is a particular subject that needs to be in camera, I will be considering it, but I move that we stay in public.
Noon
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
Is there debate? There is a motion on the floor to do committee business in public rather than in camera.
I want to make a couple of quick comments, and then....
Mr. Poilievre, I believe you had your hand up. Go ahead.
12:05 p.m.
Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON
I'm sorry; you said you wanted to make your comments first.
12:05 p.m.
Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON
I don't see what we have to hide here. Let's just keep it open. The default should be towards transparency. I don't think there is any intensely personal information or commercially sensitive data that would come out of the meeting. I can't imagine that the government would plan to release information that would affect the stock market or some other commercial sensitivity by having the meeting out in the open.
As a result, why don't we just default that way?
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
Normally we do. There was a good reason for going in camera that relates to the pre-budget consultations. Normally we do those discussions about how we're going to do those fall pre-budget consultations in camera. I have no problem with the rest being open, but I think we need to discuss that specific point in camera.
12:05 p.m.
NDP
Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC
I'm not against in camera discussions on some particular issues, such as discussing witnesses, because there are personal names and those kinds of matters, but I think that as a general rule we should be in public. When we come to issues that need to be in camera, at that point we move in camera.
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
Okay. Are we in agreement to go in camera to deal with the pre-budget consultations first, because we have to do that, and then open it up to the public?
Are we okay with that? That one we really need to deal with in camera, and I had forgotten that this was the reason we made the whole business portion in camera.
Go ahead, Mr. Fragiskatos.
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON
Mr. Chair, I think we should stay on the path we were originally on. Let's move in camera and stay in camera.
That's my view.
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
Okay. We'll have to go to a vote on the motion, then.
You have a motion on the floor.
Are we ready to vote on the motion?
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
It's a recorded vote.
The motion is, Mr. Clerk, that the meeting be held in public.
(Motion negatived: nays 5; yeas 4)
The motion is lost, so we'll be in camera.
We'll suspend for five minutes and then move in camera.
The meeting is suspended.
[Proceedings continue in camera]
