That's a great question, because one challenge we've highlighted to the government is that you people don't track the effects of your projects. What we have done at CUTRIC is we've said that, as part of this $185-million ask, we want to be obligated to track it, for the sheer reason that we do not know, effectively, what the job creation out the door is.
I'll just put it in context. That APC project, which I identified to you, funded dozens of projects in electric mobility, and hydrogen fuel cells, etc. Generally, those were $2 million to $5 million projects each. They hired approximately five to 15 highly qualified personnel, such as Ph.D.s and master technicians, in each project. Nobody knows how many of those people, funded on paper, were actually hired. Nobody knows how many of them ended up with jobs. Nobody knows whether they finished the project. Nobody, in government or outside government, audits or measures the extent to which one dollar from NSERC or APC resulted in how many dollars economically. We don't do that federally, and that's not just with NSERC or SSHRC. It's also with ASIP or AIF funding across the board. Part of our ask is to identify that those metrics have to be there.