I have a couple of things.
Emissions in manufacturing have decreased significantly in the last 20 years, but half of that is as a result of huge investments made by manufacturers. As you know, manufacturing is highly dependent on energy, so there's a return on investment when you invest in new machinery and equipment that consumes less energy.
The other half is, of course, because we lost a lot of capacity during the financial downturn. A lot of pulp and paper mills, for example, shut down, so obviously the emissions went down as a result of the shutdowns.
The trick for our sector is that we want companies to export more, to produce more. By doing that, necessarily there will be more emissions. The way we look at it is the number of emissions per unit produced. We want to lower that intensity of emissions. At the end of the day, if we want to double exports by 2030, we can't do that by shutting down plants and machinery and equipment. We would prefer a direct investment in green machinery and equipment. If there's a carbon tax, as I said, at least if the revenues associated with this tax are reinvested in plants, that would be our favourite option.