Sure. To the point of it being on the taxpayers' back, first of all, we have a $500-billion infrastructure gap, and as for what we're seeing with the first nations, at least $30 billion to $35 billion is on that front. The question we have is how we are possibly going to fund that. You cannot do that with government money. At least that's our view at the council. To borrow the money, which by the way the taxpayer would eventually have to pay for, would lead to a very significant deficit.
I'm just saying there's a conundrum here, and we're also trying to create growth, so that's where.... I'm not trying to argue; I'm just trying to give you a sense of how we came at it.