The chair hasn't fully understood all of the ramifications of this project. There's no business case. The private sector walked away. The federal government came up with $4.5 billion—overpriced—to buy the existing assets.
The construction costs are escalating now. The shippers are now backing out, which means you have to subsidize the shippers to try to even maintain the fiction of this being a viable business, so $17 billion, given the $150 million that was lost on the existing project last year, is probably a minor part of what the overall costs will be to the Canadian taxpayer, and it's all done to fuel companies that aren't willing to do their upgrading and refining in Canada. The companies that do upgrading and refining in Canada receive a price differential that is to their advantage.
I would ask both of you this, and anyone else who wants to answer: Do you think it's a good use of taxpayers' money to throw tens of billions of dollars onto the Trans Mountain development?