The one perspective I can give you on that is the effect it has had on entrepreneurs and the liquidity they need. From our surveys of entrepreneurs, for example, having access to that $40,000 has been very significant. One of the reasons why I think and we think that sense of panic has gone to a lower level of concern and there's much less demand now on us for online financing loans, etc., is that CEBA has provided a very important source of financing for the hundreds of thousands of clients and companies that have taken advantage of it. It's been a big source of pressure relief and an important source of liquidity. We see that through our surveys and the reduction in demand on BDC for loans.
On June 9th, 2020. See this statement in context.