I will repeat them, Mr. Chair.
What I said is that I could not imagine how the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance could not have been involved as part of this process. I did not refer specifically to recusal at cabinet. I indicated that this was a fundamental policy issue for the government. I do not see how the Prime Minister could have no knowledge of the development of the policy that would meet the needs of students impacted by the pandemic.
For the finance minister, given responsibility for the finances of the country, given the significance of the expenditure here, of up to $900 million, with an initial tranche in the order of $500 million, at some stage, the Minister of Finance would, in my judgment, have to be aware of the scale of the program, or existence and development of a program of that scale.
I make no judgment whatsoever about the Prime Minister's comment on his non-recusal, and I make no judgment about the finance minister's comments in that regard either.