It's a two-part question, Mr. Chair.
You had also indicated that the PM was personally involved in the discussions of WE once they were recommended by the civil servants and this is not untypical. This happens to all major programs, and it's typical. If you could confirm that...?
I think the other thing that's really important for us to have on the record is that the Prime Minister has apologized for not recusing himself from the cabinet decision when it came to cabinet to finally approve WE. While it's absolutely typical to actually be involved in the discussions around big programs such as this Canada student service grant, I think the Prime Minister did indicate that he should have recused himself from the actual final decision at cabinet.