Evidence of meeting #1 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Liberal
Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON
Mr. Julian, I apologize if I interrupted your video clip. Maybe you want to start from the beginning again so you can capture the whole thing.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
That's not a point of order.
Mr. Julian, go ahead. You were winding up on your filibuster of the Harper government.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
My point is simply this, Mr. Chair: What we have heard from the last three Liberal members reinforces why we should be voting against the subamendment and voting through this motion.
The initial argument all along has been that the documents weren't provided and that committee members couldn't make a decision because the information wasn't available. By her own admission, Ms. Dzerowicz has another dozen pages of carefully prepared text that took days to prepare, and the same with Mr. Fragiskatos and with Mr. Fraser. That is meticulous. We have many Liberal Party operatives working overtime to produce all of this material to reinforce the subamendment.
The reality is that the argument the Liberal members of this committee have been using—
Liberal
Liberal
Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON
Well, it was more that Mr. Julian alluded to the fact that we already had the documents. The documents I was referring to were documents that were released by the government House leader's office. They were given to all members. They are not the documents that he was referring to. Thank you.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
My point is very simple. They have meticulously prepared presentations on the subamendment that reinforce the point that we've been making all along. Committee members have had access to the documents. We need the ability now to move forward. It's been more than 180 hours, with breaks and with suspensions, as you know, Mr. Chair, but really, the reality is that people who are watching us know full well that the Liberals have had access and have provided very, very well researched and fulsome arguments that were prepared days in advance. It means their fundamental argument that the committee isn't aware of the documents that have been distributed now for months falls through. Those filibuster points have undermined the principal Liberal position.
Let's get on with it. Let's vote on the subamendment, on the amendment, and on the motion.
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
Okay. We're ready for the vote, I gather, on the subamendment. I will turn to you, Madam Clerk. We will have a voice vote on the subamendment. It's the best way to go.
Madam Clerk, the floor is yours.
Evelyn Lukyniuk
Thank you.
First of all, I just want to verify the presence of members. The list that I have here for the members of the committee present and allowed to vote is as follows: Mr. Fraser, Ms. Dzerowicz, Mr. Fragiskatos, Mr. Gerretsen, Madame Koutrakis, Mr. Poilievre, Mr. Falk, Ms. Jansen, Ms. Vecchio, Monsieur Ste-Marie and Peter Julian. Is that correct?
Conservative
Conservative
Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK
I believe I'm here on behalf of Mr. Poilievre. I believe Mr. Poilievre is not here.
Liberal
Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON
On a point of order, documentation for that should have been submitted to the clerk if there's a subamendment.
Liberal
Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON
Well, the clerk doesn't seem to know that, because she's not under the impression that you're supposed to be here.
Conservative
Karen Vecchio Conservative Elgin—Middlesex—London, ON
Excuse me, Mr. Gerretsen, I was copied on all of those emails. Just to let you know, it was indicated by the clerk that Mr. Steinley would go in for Mr. Poilievre, and that I would for Pat Kelly. Thank you, Mr. Gerretsen.
Liberal
Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON
Ms. Vecchio, you did interrupt me when I was speaking.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
I assume, Madam Clerk, you have the documentation for Ms. Vecchio and Mr. Steinley.
Evelyn Lukyniuk
Yes. I just wanted to verify it, because I see that Mr. Poilievre has logged in. I just wanted to double-check for the status, but I did receive the email.
Evelyn Lukyniuk
The question is on the amendment of Mr. Gerretsen.
(Subamendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
