Mr. Julian.
Evidence of meeting #1 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #1 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
A recording is available from Parliament.
4 p.m.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
I don't actually know the answer to that question.
What we're proposing here doesn't have the Conservatives last in that second round. It has the Liberals last in that second round. For subsequent rounds it would be the same. I think the chair was asking that question earlier. It would be the same for subsequent rounds if we were going for a two-hour session. It would be Conservative for five minutes, Liberal for five minutes, Bloc for two and a half minutes, NDP for two and a half minutes, Conservative for five minutes and then Liberal for five minutes.
4 p.m.
Liberal
Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON
I'm sorry to interrupt, Mr. Chair. I'm still trying to figure out where the “raise hand” function is. I've used it a few times on Zoom, but that's why I interrupted there.
I think that Mr. Fraser's question is a very relevant one. I'm not sure if Mr. Julian understood it, with all due respect to him. As I understood him, Mr. Fraser was talking about what happens in cases where the opposition holds the chair if, as in our case and most committees' cases, a Liberal chair is in place.
What Mr. Julian is calling for here, and one would assume in other committees, is that the Liberals finish off questioning. In cases where the opposition is in chairmanship, is he also calling for the opposition, in the form of the Conservatives, to wrap up questioning there, too?
4 p.m.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
It's a red herring. I don't have the answer. I'd prefer to go to a vote, Mr. Chair.
4:05 p.m.
Liberal
Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON
Mr. Chair, I would remind my honourable colleague that he is helping to establish a bit of a precedent. I'm not sure it's a precedent that he would be entirely comfortable with.
4:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
We're ready for the vote.
Did I see you shaking your head, Mrs. Jansen?
4:05 p.m.
Conservative
4:05 p.m.
Conservative
Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB
Mr. Chair, I had my hand up.
I don't want to debate this too much further, but Mr. Julian's point is correct. It's a red herring in terms of us setting a precedent for an opposition-chaired committee. That will be a question for opposition-chaired committees to determine.
I also agree with Mrs. Jansen that just for order on this, monitoring the participants' hands up would be an orderly way to keep a speakers list.
4:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
Are we ready for the question?
Madam Clerk, perhaps we could turn to you, on the amendment by Mr. Julian.
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We'll go on to the next motion. That will be the new order.
Mr. Fragiskatos.
4:05 p.m.
Liberal
Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON
Mr. Chair, the proposed routine motion here is on document distribution. It is as follows:
That the clerk of the committee be authorized to distribute documents to members of the committee only when the documents are available in both official languages and that witnesses be advised accordingly.
(Motion agreed to)
4:05 p.m.
Liberal
4:05 p.m.
Liberal
Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON
On a point of order, did we vote on the original motion as amended?
4:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
No, we didn't. We'd better do that.
Thank you, Julie.
We'll go back a step and vote on the original motion as amended.
(Motion as amended agreed to)
Okay, now we're on working meals.
4:05 p.m.
Liberal
Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON
Mr. Chair, the motion reads as follows:
That the clerk of the committee be authorized to make the necessary arrangements to provide working meals for the committee and its subcommittees.
4:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
Is there any discussion?
(Motion agreed to)
Next is travel accommodations.
4:10 p.m.
Liberal
Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON
Thank you, Chair. The motion reads:
That, if requested, reasonable travel, accommodation and living expenses be reimbursed to witnesses not exceeding two representatives per organization; provided that, in exceptional circumstances, payment for more representatives be made at the discretion of the chair.
4:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
Is there any discussion?
(Motion agreed to)
Next is access to in camera meetings.
4:10 p.m.
Liberal
Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON
On access to in camera meetings, Mr. Chair, the motion reads:
That, unless otherwise ordered, each Committee member be allowed to have one staff member at an in camera meeting and that one additional person from each House officer's office be allowed to be present.
4:10 p.m.
Liberal
Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON
On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I'm looking at the raised hands and there are three raised hands. Are they because there are questions, or is it...? I know in my case I've raised my hand because I would like to present a motion after the routine motions are over, but I don't know whether that was the appropriate thing to do.
4:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
I have three requests following the business: one from Ms. Dzerowicz, one from Mr. Julian and one from Mr. Poilievre.
4:10 p.m.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
On a point of order, my hand was up first, so I just want to remind you of that, Mr. Chair.
4:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter
We'll argue about that later. Let's get back to the routine proceedings.
Go ahead, Mr. Fragiskatos.
