If you look at the PBO numbers, they come in at about $85 billion. The previous one said $80 billion. Again, that's looking at 75% of the poverty level.
There are many ways to finance that. You can look at the tax credits, as the PBO did. That comes out to net zero. Basically, it is a net cost of zero to implement the program. You can look at incorporating the current costs that the government spends on social support programs and income support programs, which is about $45 billion. You're bringing it down to $45 billion. You could also take off about another $20 billion, which is income supports that provinces utilize. That brings you down to about $20 billion. That is the same amount that the government is spending on the child benefit, and we know how that has raised children out of poverty. Raising taxes is not something that we think needs to be looked at.
The question it comes down to is whether this program is worth it.